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    Simulations Plus (SLP)

    Q4 2024 Earnings Summary

    Reported on Mar 19, 2025 (After Market Close)
    Pre-Earnings Price$33.98Last close (Oct 23, 2024)
    Post-Earnings Price$34.50Open (Oct 24, 2024)
    Price Change
    $0.52(+1.53%)

    What went well

    • Management expects margins to improve, aiming to return to historical adjusted EBITDA margin levels of 35%+ over time. They have initiated programs to move in this direction in fiscal 2025, with guidance of 31% to 33% adjusted EBITDA margin for the year. ,
    • Organic growth guidance of 10% to 15% for fiscal 2025 reflects management's confidence in their ability to perform at the high end of that range, despite taking a conservative approach. This guidance does not include potential upside if market conditions improve. ,
    • The acquisition of Pro-ficiency is expected to contribute $15 million to $18 million in revenue, significantly expanding the company's market opportunity. Integration is progressing ahead of expectations, and Pro-ficiency offers unique solutions that could benefit from an uptick in clinical trial activity. ,

    What went wrong

    • The company's software revenue growth declined in the fourth quarter, particularly due to challenges in the Asian markets and some renewal slippages, indicating issues in growing software revenues in key regions.
    • Gross margins are under pressure due to the integration of the Pro-ficiency acquisition, which has lower profitability compared to legacy SLP business, potentially impacting overall margins in the near term.
    • Staffing overcapacity resulting from lower-than-expected attrition rates has weighed on margins, and the company anticipates this pressure to continue into the first half of fiscal 2025 before improving.

    Q&A Summary

    1. Organic Growth Guidance
      Q: What's your organic growth outlook for next year?
      A: We are guiding for 10% to 15% organic growth in fiscal 2025, similar to last year when we achieved about 14% growth. While we see positive trends, we're conservatively setting guidance based on current market conditions.

    2. Margin Outlook
      Q: How will margins progress in 2025?
      A: We anticipate margins will improve gradually, with some pressure in the first half but returning to normal levels in the second half. Our EBITDA margin guidance is 31% to 33% for 2025, reflecting this improvement.

    3. Software Revenue Decline
      Q: Why did software revenue decline this quarter?
      A: Software revenues were down due to renewal slippages into the first quarter and challenges in the Asian market. However, for the year, software revenues were up 12%, or 9% organically. We expect improvement as we focus on these areas.

    4. Pro-ficiency Integration
      Q: Can you update on Pro-ficiency's integration and revenue impact?
      A: Pro-ficiency contributed about $2.1 to $2.2 million in Q4 revenue, below our expectation of $3 million, due to project revenue timing and delays. We expect Pro-ficiency to contribute $15 million to $18 million in fiscal 2025. Integration is progressing well, and we're expanding cross-selling opportunities.

    5. EPS Guidance Discrepancy
      Q: Why is EPS guidance higher than expected?
      A: The discrepancy is due to differences in adjusted diluted EPS calculations. We're standardizing adjustments to align with peers, including depreciation, amortization, and stock compensation expenses totaling about $14 million to $15 million.

    6. Price Increases
      Q: Are you planning any price increases?
      A: Yes, we're adjusting our price list similarly to last year, with potential increases of 5% or more, though actual yield may vary due to discounts.

    7. Biotech End Market Expectations
      Q: What's your outlook for the biotech end market?
      A: While we hope for reacceleration in the biotech market, our guidance assumes current depressed levels persist, taking a conservative approach until we see confirmed improvements.

    8. Renewal Slippages
      Q: Can you explain the slippage in GastroPlus renewals?
      A: The slippages are timing issues, not cancellations. Some renewals didn't complete paperwork by fiscal year-end due to factors like vacations, but we expect them to close in the first quarter.

    9. TAM Doubling with Acquisition
      Q: How does Pro-ficiency double your TAM?
      A: Pro-ficiency adds an estimated $4 billion to our total addressable market, evenly split between clinical trial training and medical communications markets.

    10. Operating Expense Leverage
      Q: Will you see more leverage on operating expenses next year?
      A: We expect to gain more leverage in fiscal 2025, focusing on returning to historical profitability levels of 35%+ adjusted EBITDA, while continuing to invest in sales, marketing, and R&D.

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